whites reject white supremacy: towards collective liberation
by
| 11.02.2008
Direct actions occurred on October 31 across the United States to strike out against ICE raids and other forms of institutional oppression. From Philadelphia to New Orleans to Palestine, people are being forced from their homes by poverty, famine, and wars. We propose an alternative.

institutionalized white supremacy hurts everyone

shallow two-sided media is not welcome in philadelphia

european-americans can fight against white supremacy
(November 1, Philadelphia, PA) As of 4 o’clock this morning, the statue of Thorfinn Karlsefni, father of the first European child born on this continent, has been drenched with red paint. This month, white supremacists rallied at this statue in honor of Thorfinn’s legacy of colonization and the displacement of native people. From Philadelphia to New Orleans to Palestine, people are being forced from their homes by poverty, famine, and wars. We propose an alternative.
European-Americans have opportunities to support justice and freedom. Early yesterday, a multiracial, youth-led coalition spoke out against the criminalization of immigrants. These advocates of justice shut down metro transit and prevented the perpetration of anti-immigrant raids in the San Francisco Bay area. European descendents for immigrant rights and racial justice were a part of those actions and this action to shed light on Thorfinn’s racist legacy. Ignorant, oversimplified, media coverage such as that of the white supremacist rally is not welcome in Philadelphia. White nationalism, a new codename for white supremacy, is also not welcome in Philadelphia. Justice will be had!
ALL POWER THROUGH THE PEOPLE!
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See also:
http://www.indybay.org/newsitems/2008/10/30/18547466.php
http://onepeoplesproject.com/
http://abclocal.go.com/kgo/story?section=news/local/san_francisco&id=648..
http://www.ktvu.com/video/17859665/index.html?taf=fran
http://www.kpfa.org/archives/index.php?arch=29186
http://www.insidebayarea.com/oaklandtribune/ci_10869638?source=email
Comentarios
To equate the Viking
Submitted by Oneiric Imperium (no verificado) on Dom, 11/02/2008 - 11:59pmTo equate the Viking explorations of North America with a "legacy of colonization and the displacement of native people" is pretty rediculous.
Also the members of the local chapter of Keystone United and the majority of their local supporters (Myself included) are local Philadelphians. Little to no people in the philly far leftist scene are from around here.
Your scene is the colony trying to impose its values on the local culture, not the KSS.
vikings
Submitted by Anonymous (no verificado) on Mar, 11/04/2008 - 4:30aman informative video about vikings:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4udUvxX8upE&feature=related
Better but still not quite where things need to be
Submitted by Oneiric Imperium (no verificado) on Mar, 11/04/2008 - 5:11amJokes are step up from the petty name calling, but still are a refusal to address the issue at hand.
It is not my intention here to win over any far leftists. But to see that this statue gets cleaned up and also to parade this thread around.
move on, troll...
Submitted by Anonymous (no verificado) on Mié, 11/05/2008 - 1:54amyou got rick roll'd, fucker.
and I'd like to see you clean up everything you've encrusted the south street bridge and various other parts of the city with..... your viking statue looks great with red paint and I will be upset to see it go back to it's previous colour scheme which is B-O-O-O-R-I-N-G........
stop blogging and get a clue, troll...
KSS isn't a white supremacist organization?
Submitted by Anonymous (no verificado) on Mié, 11/12/2008 - 9:17pmHere's a very long list of KSS' exploits.
And it would be nice if all of the people defending KSS and Keith Carney on here respond to these charges rather than using rhetorical arguments. I guarantee that none of them will. Most likely the response will be "leftists aren't from philly" or "I have black friends," as so far been the kind of response by KSS supporters.
Of course, many people on the left understand that racism isn't just the guy with swastika tattoos and jack boots. Racism has many different forms: personal, institutional, veiled etc. and nazi boneheads are only the most overt and extreme representatives. And yes someone can be racist and still have black friends, co-workers even spouses. It isn't simple, there aren't just racists and non-racists and if you talk to any leftist that has educated themselves on the matter (and who may have more important things to do than sit at a computer and debate obscure extremists on the internet) they will acknowledge this.
Also, the above name is "anonymous" because as you'll see, KSS has a history of brutal violence against people who oppose them. They're all too proud to boast about how violent they are (Bood as well) outside of one of their pseudo-intellectual arguments. So this writer doesn't want to get beaten to death by fascist thugs.
(from the anti-defamation league's website http://www.adl.org/racist_skinheads/states/pennsylvania.asp#group2.)
Keystone State Skinheads (KSS)
A well-organized, well-established and increasingly violent group that formed in early 2001 in the Harrisburg area. The original impetus for the group's founding was a melee that took place in York, Pennsylvania, in late January of that year, when several hundred racist skinheads were attacked by anarchist groups at a rally sponsored by the World Church of the Creator (now known as the Creativity Movement). Over the next two years, KSS transformed itself from a mainly Harrisburg group to a network of seven regional crews that had members from every major city in the state and associates in New Jersey and Maryland.
KSS has a total membership that numbers around 70. Harrisburg, Philadelphia, and Altoona have large chapters, while the Wilkes-Barre/Scranton-based chapter is fairly small, with other KSS chapters falling somewhere in the middle. In early 2003, KSS began to capitalize on its growing prominence by conducting a series of concerts, first in Harrisburg, and then in a series of venues across the state. In late September 2003, Hammerskin Nation allowed KSS to help coordinate Hammerfest, which was held in Pennsylvania. By the beginning of 2004, KSS had become the largest group in the northeastern U.S., and its members had committed numerous bias attacks and other violent crimes. The KSS have very close ties to the Vinlanders Social Club (VSC), including a number of dual memberships.
September 2008: On September 7, Philadelphia police officers arrested Keystone State Skinhead Andrew Boyle at a Philadelphia bar for being in possession of a knife. A summary trial is scheduled for December 1, 2008. At the time of his arrest, Boyle was out on bail awaiting trial on another matter. Boyle, along with co-defendants and fellow Keystone State Skinheads Keith Carney and Doug Caffarella, and Atlantic City Skinhead Vincent DeFelice, are charged with assault and conspiracy in the alleged attack of another skinhead outside of a Philadelphia bar in 2007. DeFelice is currently incarcerated in New Jersey on an unrelated matter, but the trial against Boyle, Carney and Caffarella is scheduled for late November 2008.
July 2008: More than a year after a co-defendant pleaded guilty to double murder charges, a fellow racist skinhead followed suit at his hearing on May 23, 2008, in Florida. Charles Marovskis, 29, recently from West Pittston, Pennsylvania, but originally from Tampa, Florida, pleaded guilty to two federal charges of second-degree murder in connection with the 1998 beating death of two Florida homeless men. On March 7, 2007, co-defendant and fellow racist skinhead Kenneth Hoover, 34, also from Pennsylvania, pleaded guilty to the same charges. Both were arrested in Pennsylvania in early 2007, where they were members of KSS. Hoover entered a federal plea agreement in which he cooperated with the "investigation and prosecution of other persons" who participated in the attack, and in return, the State Attorney's Office did not seek the death penalty against him. While living in Florida, Marovskis and Hoover, along with co-defendants James Robertson and Corey Hulse, were members of the racist skinhead crew Blood and Honour. In 1998 the four men allegedly committed the murders as part of a race war, with the goal of killing anyone they considered inferior, and to increase their status within the movement. Robertson, who is serving time in a federal prison for a murder conviction, pleaded not guilty on June 23, 2008. Hulse remains a fugitive. The body of one victim, a 62-year-old man, was discovered under a highway overpass. He had been beaten and stabbed in the eye with a tire iron. The second victim, a 44-year-old man, was killed with an ax and later found in the woods. The homeless are a common target of attacks by racist skinheads, primarily because they are vulnerable and usually defenseless targets. In March 2007, three members of the Indiana-based Vinlanders Social Club, a racist skinhead organization that helped raise funds for Marovskis after his arrest, were themselves arrested in Indiana for allegedly assaulting a homeless man.
April 2008: A wave of anti-Semitic and racist fliers and incidents of vandalism has plagued towns throughout Luzerne County, Pennsylvania in the first four months of 2008. The Keystone State Skinheads posted racist fliers throughout neighborhoods and hung a banner promoting their white supremacist ideology over a highway in early April. In a separate incident, a local 18-year-old girl faces charges for spray painting a synagogue and vacant building with swastikas and anti-Semitic language, including words that the Nazis used to describe Jews during the Holocaust. In January 2008, KSS members posted racist fliers throughout Wilkes-Barre that suggested that the presence of minorities in the community will lead to "Drugs, Crime, Graffiti, Trash-Covered Streets," as well as "gangs and violence." In a post and photos on the KSS Website, the group claimed responsibility for the fliers. Two months later, in late March 2008, two teenage girls allegedly targeted Congregation Ohav Zedek, a Wilkes-Barre synagogue by spray painting a star of David, swastikas and defamatory language on its doors, including the words "abschaum," German for "scum," and "Juden," German for Jews, which was written on the yellow stars that Nazis forced European Jews to wear during World War II. KSS members were not involved in the synagogue vandalism. On April 2, a swastika and the words "Hitler was right" were found spray painted on a vacant building owned by an Ohav Zedek member, the day before a community ceremony to remove the anti-Semitic graffiti from the synagogue. The next day, April 3, following a tip given to police by a local teenage male two days earlier, authorities arrested Nora Rynkeiwicz, an 18-year-old resident of Factoryville, and an unidentified 17-year-old teenage female for the acts of anti-Semitic vandalism against Ohav Zedek and the vacant building. Rynkeiwicz, out on bail after a brief prison stay, faces charges of institutional vandalism, criminal mischief, ethnic intimidation, and criminal conspiracy. In a search of her home on April 1, police reportedly found spray paint cans, which they believe were used to deface the buildings. The 17-year-old, who claims minor participation in the vandalism, will be charged in a juvenile court. Rynkeiwicz espouses a neo-Nazi ideology, according to friends and her MySpace page, which reportedly included swastikas, the words "WHITE SOLDIERS," and Hitler listed as a hero. Just days later, local newspapers reported sightings of racist fliers in Pittston, Shickshinny, and Port Griffith, all towns in Luzerne County. The individual responsible for the fliers remains unknown; however, the KSS website was printed at the bottom of them. The KSS reappeared on April 6, when a banner saying "PRESERVE OUR HERITAGE" and promoting the KSS Web site was found hanging from a bridge over a Wilkes-Barre highway. Photos on the group's Web site reveal KSS members creating an identical sign and similar banners. The captions beneath the photos say, "Activism in Wilkes-Barre."
January 2007: Keystone State Skinhead members Todd Clair Sager and Edward Locke were sentenced to 21 months to 10 years and 33 months to 10 years respectively for their involvement in a March 2005 bar fight. Both men pleaded guilty to a variety of aggravated assault charges stemming from a fight in New Stanton, Pennsylvania, in which Locke stabbed two men upon the orders of Sager. Earlier that same afternoon, the two were seen harassing a mixed-race couple in the same bar while Sager spoke about being a leader for the Keystone State Skinheads. In addition to their prison sentences, the presiding judge ordered both men to refrain from any associations with white supremacists - both inside prison as well as outside when they are released.
April 2003: Two associates of the Lancaster Keystone State Skinheads were arrested and charged with ethnic intimidation and terroristic threats for making racist and threatening comments to three black patrons in a Lancaster-area bar. The two men are also tied to the Lancaster/York chapter of Eastern Hammerskins.
March 2003: Three KSS members, Keith Carney, Steve Monteforte, and Steve Smith, were arrested in Scranton for beating a black man, Antoni Williams, with stones and pieces of pavement. Smith and Monteforte pleaded guilty to ethnic intimidation and terroristic threats, with Monteforte receiving a year's probation (which was suspended), and Smith receiving a sixty-day sentence and probation. In January 2004, Carney received a one- to three-year sentence, a much harsher ruling, attributed to his failure to fulfill the probation requirements of a conviction for a December 2001 incident in Philadelphia when Carney posted racist fliers on a Vietnam Veterans memorial.
September 2002: Three Greensburg-area KSS members, Todd Sager, 25, Jason Hayden, 27, and Christopher Keough, 20, beat a former member, Christopher Morosko, 25, who refused to return his KSS “colors,” the jacket emblems worn by members. The three pleaded guilty to assault on March 3, 2003, and were all released for time served.
June 2002: Robert Gaus, a KSS founder, and KSS members Douglas Sonier and Joseph Hoesch, were arrested by police outside the Suburban Diner in Feasterville, near Philadelphia, for assaulting a man who asked them to stop throwing food at his table. The victim was struck several times and left on the diner’s floor. All three pleaded guilty to a charge of simple assault and were given suspended sentences.
Yes I will comment on this,
Submitted by Oneiric Imperium (no verificado) on Vie, 11/14/2008 - 3:32pmYes I will comment on this, as its more exaggerations and hyperbole.
First the ADL is NOT a credible source. It is a Zionist front with a long history of spying on both far right and the far left as well as selling information to various governments and private corporations. All watchdog groups survive by making enemies up.
>>So this writer doesn't want to get beaten to death by fascist thugs. <<
This year as marked an upsurge of antifa violence, in particular of my concern is the attack on the neo-folk group Camerata Mediolanense. So neither side is innocent in that regard.
Most of these incidents are of people who aren't directly tied to the KSS or needed thinning out of the ranks. We all know people who've gotten into fights or been in trouble. Those guys who killed the homeless people did so many years before anyone in the KSS knew them and their actions caught up with them. Those two girls who vandalized that synagogue did so on their own accord.
Also the case with Drew having a knife is petty. This is philly after all.
Of course you would comment
Submitted by kaba (no verificado) on Lun, 11/17/2008 - 11:37amOf course you would comment on this Bood White, but as you keep pointing out, you are not KSS, so who the fuck are you to speak for them? Let Keith come on to explain this list. You are even less of a credible source than the ADL, and that's saying a lot. By the way KSS raised money for the guy who killed the homeless man, so you don't know what you are even talking about.
Well my dear I was mentioned
Submitted by Oneiric Imperium (no verificado) on Lun, 11/17/2008 - 8:50pmWell my dear I was mentioned directly in the comment I was responding to. I see you still aren't very skilled at the use of public forums, tact, or general decency.
Neither are you, otherwise
Submitted by Kaba (no verificado) on Mar, 11/18/2008 - 1:43amNeither are you, otherwise you would let KSS speak for themselves!
My dear.
Wait a minute
Submitted by Anonymous (no verificado) on Mar, 11/18/2008 - 10:40amThis prick comes on IMC to defend Nazis and he has the nerve to talk about General decency?
Well yes. Ethically
Submitted by Oneiric Imperium (no verificado) on Mié, 11/19/2008 - 6:28pmWell yes.
Ethically speaking the far-right and far-left are both marginal extremes that tend to mirror each other pretty consistently in terms of both faults and merits. Both are merely ideas and both provide options for the individual on the immediate basis. I don't really identify with either and just use what is useful from both for my own self-interest. It's not very hard, for me anyway, to politely discuss these matters in a reasonable matter.
Besides who are the people of the IMC to anonymously spread lies and misinformation about other forms of marginal extremism, or anonymously makes threats against people who politely disagree with them (such as myself)?
I'm just one individual, local artist yet people felt the need to go to my friends and makes threats against me simply because I express a view offensive to the values of the group-mind they happen to identify with. The KSS may be no angels, nor certainly am I, however for being supposedly "fascists" they certainly aren't very totalitarian, and certainly not as totalitarian as the Stalinist streak that sadly comes out in a lot of you.
I think that along the way of pursuing a notion of liberation that perhaps many of you have became blinded to potentials and possibilities outside of your own specific reality tunnel. Now given that the so-called "Nazis" and "Nazi sympathizers" are willing to politely communicate these matters and come to some sort of reasonable resolution, doesn't that make your end the rigid, dogmatic and authoritarian ones?
You see what you're really seeing here emerge in the rest of the city outside of your section of west philly is a non-hierarchical, diverse, and organic evolution of Eurocentric interest and culture. Thats not something that you're ready to confront because you have to contradict your values to do so. Certainly its a scary grey area for some, but would rather see the "Nazis" and the "Nazi-Sympathizers" mutate into something else entirely, or must you keep things locked into a very specific context that isn't in any of our real long term interests?
I know that a lot of more reasonable far-leftists in west philly realize this and its only a small number of zealots egging this on, as well as perhaps naive youthful idealists still a little too angry to not have their bubble of self-righteousness and good intentions burst yet.
But to those cooler heads, well perhaps its time to pull these folks aside and tell them to let sleeping dogs lie.
Oh, there's also Joe Phy of
Submitted by Anonymous (no verificado) on Mar, 11/18/2008 - 10:54amOh, there's also Joe Phy of KSS who is on trial for assault stemming from somthing that happened July 2007. Has a court date of April 13.
Oh piss off, Bood White
Submitted by Kaba (no verificado) on Lun, 11/03/2008 - 1:11pmThat exploration is why we have the colonization and displacement today. Are you that insecure and without friends you need to hang around KSS and kiss their behinds?
A line cannot be drawn
Submitted by Oneiric Imperium (no verificado) on Lun, 11/03/2008 - 4:38pmA line cannot be drawn between the Viking voyages and "That exploration is why we have the colonization and displacement today". That is completely rediculous and historically inaccurate. The Vikings never stayed here, or if they did they bred with the Native population, hence perhaps why post-Colombian explorers would from time to time find brown haired, grey eyed Indians. Or anomalous artifacts like the Kensington Runestone, Heavener Runestone, and also anomalous Native cultures with an overt European Pagan element to their cultures like the Adena who built the Serpent Burial mounds.
Also it is thought now that the Urban Meso-American cultures in the southern hemisphere were a separate group from the Native Americans that came over the Bairing straight, so are they displacing colonists? Or the theory that Asians made it to South America?
Have you ever even read anything on the Voyages?
Or is just a matter of, "Oh it was done done by a white guy so its inherently evil?".
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Norse_colonization_of_the_Americas
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pre-Columbian_trans-oceanic_contact
Does anybody have anything good to say besides personal jabs at me or the KSS? Sure I've lost a few friends for deciding not to be closeted about my ethnocentric views, but so what?
The far left isn't against racism, its for using a pretense of fighting racism to further its goals. DNA is an objective material reality. How one relates to that however certainly may be subjective, but to deny the instincts and impulses of the body is in my eyes anyway certainly repressive. White guilt is another type of bodily shame, its a liberal form of bodily dysmorphia. The far lefts stance on white ethnic identity is as convoluted and life hating as the pro-anna movement. It its the same Old Testament hatred of nature and the body that has sadly guided the western world for far too long.
"Power to the people", certainly, and "purposing an alternative", even more so. But I out of my own bodies instincts prefer to be around whites.
Water seeks its level.
A line can indeed be drawn,
Submitted by Anonymous (no verificado) on Lun, 11/03/2008 - 9:57pmA line can indeed be drawn, but I will say that there was a different thing going on with the Vikings.
And why the hell did you go to LAVA today trying to find those responsible for the statue, you friggin' nutcase?
>>And why the hell did you
Submitted by Oneiric Imperium (no verificado) on Lun, 11/03/2008 - 10:16pm>>And why the hell did you go to LAVA today trying to find those responsible for the statue, you friggin' nutcase?<<
While I don't think anyone at LAVA had anything to do with the attack on the statue it still is the home of where the Philly IMC server rests and seemingly the best place to start looking. I also stopped by Dave Onions house, the A-Space, and firehouse.
I'm beginning to think that the far left community here in philly is being manipulated into unnecessary conflicts by the OPP. I would rather see the statue just get cleaned and the matter put to rest then turn into some silly on going conflict. I don't think majority of you in this case are responsible for this and that any sort of collective retribution would not be an exactly fair use of lex talionis.
Sense this attack was done in the name of your community and your collective politics and posted (albeit anyone can post on here) I would like to see your camp figure out who did it and them to clean it up.
Whoever hit it with the paint, go clean it.
Why do you want to make this
Submitted by Anonymous (no verificado) on Lun, 11/03/2008 - 10:55pmWhy do you want to make this an OPP thing? This happened after the article came out in the paper, so I would think it would come from someone who read the paper.
Given that DLJ tends to
Submitted by OneiricImperium (no verificado) on Lun, 11/03/2008 - 11:31pmGiven that DLJ tends to obsess over anything related to Keystone United, and go as far to lie and distort content related to them the OPP seems the like the main suspect. While it may not be, I'm sure it can't be too far off.
Given that I used to be around west philly punk and squatter culture I still get bits and pieces of the whisper down the lane rumor mill in relation to these sorts of things. Despite certain things like the IMC posting talking shit about me being at a Mumia rally with a death in june shirt on (along with the usual lies about DIJ and Boyd Rice) I still found myself having a conversation not too long ago in person with someone from the local anarchist community about what collaborative Death in June/Boyd Rice albums were better then others. He was at a store looking to buy one.
I know that not everyone across the river there in west philly sees everything in completely reactionary black and white terms when it comes to race and class issues. I thank those over there who are willing to just let sleeping dogs lie.
The OPP has such a ridiculously reactionary stance that it almost comes off as a parody of a anti-racist group. DLJ is either an extreme eccentric (to be polite) or there solely to stir up trouble. I started off as a teen ager hanging out at the wooden shoe and now a few weeks away from turning 30 I find myself side by side with Keith and co., Asatru practitioners, and other assorted Eurocentrics. I'm not alone in that. I know personally everyone who posted against the vandalism of this statue and before they were all Eurocentric they all came from leftist punk culture.
Your inconsistencies are helping to create this new form of pro-white DIY culture and I'm certain that a good number of you are beginning to realize that.
So maybe you should talk
Submitted by Anonymous (no verificado) on Mar, 11/04/2008 - 1:07pmSo maybe you should talk with DLJ or someone from OPP if you are so concerned, because it sounds more like that you are obsessed with them, not the other way around.
Who the hell is DLJ anyway?
Darrell Lamont Jenkins is
Submitted by Oneiric Imperium (no verificado) on Jue, 11/06/2008 - 5:08amDarrell Lamont Jenkins is the fellow who runs the one peoples project.
before they were all Eurocentric they all came from leftist punk
Submitted by Keith Carney (no verificado) on Jue, 11/06/2008 - 11:41pmI still consider myself a "Leftist".
"This month, white
Submitted by Anonymous (no verificado) on Lun, 11/03/2008 - 1:16pm"This month, white supremacists rallied at this statue in honor of Thorfinn’s legacy of colonization and the displacement of native people."
Displacement of native people? Like the way illegal aliens are displacing us?
"Early yesterday, a multiracial, youth-led coalition spoke out against the criminalization of immigrants."
Like the way you're trying to criminalize the immigrant legacy of Karlsefni?
"Ignorant, oversimplified, media coverage such as that of the white supremacist rally is not welcome in Philadelphia."
So you guys get to decide what kind of media coverage is "welcome"? So what's the difference between you and a censor?
"White nationalism, a new codename for white supremacy, is also not welcome in Philadelphia."
The philosophical difference between white nationalism and white supremacy is significant. Anyone who cares can confirm this with very little research.
"Justice will be had!"
Oh yes it shall!
The vikings were here before
Submitted by Willy the lefty crusher (no verificado) on Lun, 11/03/2008 - 3:02pmThe vikings were here before Columbus, and that is something the mainstream media will not touch. Why can't some people be allowed in peace to elaborate on this? If anything, you clowns are the hate mongers!
So yes the vikings did some raping and pillaging, but not to the extent as the inquisition. Actually, the vikings conquered lands from areas ruled by whites (various Euro countries).
Also if you look at historical records, indians did the same to their own. It's called human nature, and the white man did it better!
Why don't you fags go and try living amongst the oppressed (natives on the resorvations or in some african village). They would kick your white asses out and of course the non-white liberals who embrace underground white orientated music cultures (hardcore punk, electronica, crust shit, etc.).
I hope your hairy armpitted girlfriends get gangraped during the post-election race riots!
so let me get this straight...
Submitted by Anonymous (no verificado) on Lun, 11/03/2008 - 4:01pmThese people retaliated against the "legacy of colonization and ... displacement" by beating up a statue. Gee, I'm impressed.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?
Submitted by Oneiric Imperium (no verificado) on Lun, 11/03/2008 - 5:44pmhttp://www.youtube.com/watch?v=svR3iXKTJvc
>>Ah, ah,
We come from the land of the ice and snow,
from the midnight sun where the hot springs blow.
The hammer of the gods
Will drive our ships to new lands,
To fight the horde, singing and crying:
Valhalla, I am coming!
On we sweep with threshing oar,
Our only goal will be the western shore.<<
\m/
Submitted by Anonymous (no verificado) on Jue, 11/06/2008 - 1:44am\m/
By your own logic, shouldn't
Submitted by Oneiric Imperium (no verificado) on Lun, 11/03/2008 - 5:57pmBy your own logic, shouldn't you also be attacking falafel trucks? No more eating at Saad's-
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sdvnKFIy4Ek
"Veni Vidi Vici"
Submitted by Keith Carney (no verificado) on Lun, 11/03/2008 - 8:46pmActions speak louder then words and in this case it speaks volumes. It's pretty obvious that this "action" was motivated by hatred therefore making it a "hatecrime" for those of you that actually subscribe to that Orwellian school of thought. To be quite honest I have actually been waiting for this to happen since last years celebration considering your blatant inability to tolerate people that don't think like you. Not to mention the fact that you or one of your equally insignificant comrades vandalized the Gazebo along with a picnic table before last years Leif Ericson Celebration as well.
But I'm still trying to figure out how this is any different from desecrating a synagogue or knocking over tombstones. Destroying art or sacred/historical objects of any degree is disgusting and it really shows the caliber of people that we are dealing with here; people that publicly condone the very type of actions they constantly claim are their reasons for opposing us. Your hatred for all things European and all things American really is becoming quite obvious and quite undeniable.
And before any of you attempt to pin me down with the desecration of the Vietnam war memorial: I was arrested for putting a single sticker at the end of a handrail which led up to the memorial, something I was completely unaware of at the time. I did not vandalize anything other then a handrail and I definitely wouldn’t desecrate a memorial dedicated to men that died fighting communist. Perhaps you should splatter that with red paint along with the rest of the city because Philadelphia is literally overflowing with the rich and proud history & accomplishments of Europeans/Americans. The very name Philadelphia is Greek for brotherly love.
Perhaps with Obama more then likely coming into office (which I support) we will start to see the hypocritical "anti-racist" front unveil the true nature behind it’s actions.
Oh and by the way, I do find it EXTREMELY ironic that you would choose to vandalize a statue dedicated to one of the first immigrants to set foot on American soil in the name of immigrant rights and justice. I guess he just wasn’t the right type of immigrant was he?
I went down to the LAVA
Submitted by Oneiric Imperium (no verificado) on Lun, 11/03/2008 - 9:49pmI went down to the LAVA zone, and the @-Space tonight looking for someone I could reasonably discuss this matter with. I found a lady at the LAVA zone who was reasonably polite given the circumstance, though she didn't really know about the attack on the statue and didn't come off as she was lying.
Whoever she was (she wouldn't say), I thank her for her willingness to at the very least discuss a touchy subject in an abrupt manner.
I went down to these places because I don't think the majority of the local far left community here in philly agrees with vandalizing public art. I think that most likely whoever did is related to the One Peoples Project, which does not appear to be as directly integrated with local leftist efforts as it likes to make itself out to be.
DLJ comes off as a Agent Provocateur working for some one, most likely the ADL. I recommend everyone on here to read the snitch culture book.
I would just like to see the statue cleaned up. Whoever did it, just clean it off and let the matter rest.
You should be glad you
Submitted by Philly Antifa (no verificado) on Mar, 11/04/2008 - 9:48pmYou should be glad you encountered this nice lady rather than myself at LAVA space. I don't live far from there. If I see you or any of your little friends around my neighborhood, I won't be so nice.
Yes, 'cause you can't have
Submitted by Oneiric Imperium (no verificado) on Mar, 11/04/2008 - 10:29pmYes, 'cause you can't have people who may think differently then you walking around near by.
"People that think differently..."
Submitted by Anonymous (no verificado) on Jue, 11/06/2008 - 3:31amWhy are you so afraid of saying exactly what those differences are? Is it because those "opposing views" make all the difference in the world? I think differently than a lot of right-wingers, but not all of them prompt me to wanting to stomp them into the middle of next week. Come on, coward. Say exactly what it is.
You guys should do a little
Submitted by Oneiric Imperium (no verificado) on Jue, 11/06/2008 - 4:01amYou guys should do a little research before you start frothing at the mouth. A simple google search would turn this up-
http://www.heathenharvest.com/article.php?story=20080728160251256
Ummmm...no....
Submitted by Anonymous (no verificado) on Jue, 11/06/2008 - 11:36amI mean say what you mean here, not provide a link to a damn interview. Have some balls, man. Say what we are in disagreement with.
Wow...
Submitted by Anonymous (no verificado) on Lun, 11/17/2008 - 11:41amTen days and no response to this. And you have been on a lot in those ten days. Fucking coward.
Oh you think THAT'S ironic?
Submitted by Anonymous (no verificado) on Lun, 11/03/2008 - 10:26pmBy the standards of his day, that immigrant was illegal! Don't you protest against that?
Don't forget, scumbag: Folks here know you well enough to know that what you write here is bullshit.
You know this thread is
Submitted by OneiricImperium (no verificado) on Lun, 11/03/2008 - 10:41pmYou know this thread is being watched on multiple forums and blogs at the moment, not just the usual IMC traffic. It would do your cause well if you behaved in a polite manner and refrained from personal attacks. At least address the matter at hand. The content of Keith's character, mine, or anyone else is not the matter at hand but rather the attack on public art done because one group of socially unacceptable extremists doesn't like that another group of socially unacceptable extremists like that piece of art and wish to honor the arts intent on a annual basis.
A certain element of the philly public may support the leftists of west philly, a certain element may support Keith and co., BUT that statue is there for all of Philadelphia. I don't think the majority of people who see the statue feel either some of sort atavistic resonance or see a token of racist imperialism. They see a tough guy with an axe, which come on, is pretty cool.
The majority of Philadelphians don't care about the concerns of either side in this case. But one side hung out at a statue and the other wanted to destroy it and therefor take it away from everyone regardless of how they may relate to the statue.
Who's the faction imposing what in this case?
Bood White, you, Keith and
Submitted by Kaba (no verificado) on Mar, 11/04/2008 - 1:10pmBood White, you, Keith and anyone who would associate with KSS have no character to respect. You're scum. Accept it.
As an adult you still can't
Submitted by Oneiric Imperium (no verificado) on Mar, 11/04/2008 - 2:22pmAs an adult you still can't discuss a matter with out name calling, cheap shots and half-assed attempts at character assassination? Do you really think this is making you look good to any neutral people reading this?
Calm down, take a deep breath, and just think about it for a moment.
Your justifying attacking public art that is there for the whole city because a few people who happen to not agree with you like the work of art, and you not only refuse to own up to that but refuse to address the matter entirely and only resort to name calling.
Come on there dear, if you can manage to browse the web you can manage a better retort then that.
Who said you were worthy of
Submitted by Anonymous (no verificado) on Mar, 11/04/2008 - 5:47pmWho said you were worthy of anything more?
Not for me silly, obviously
Submitted by Oneiric Imperium (no verificado) on Mar, 11/04/2008 - 7:40pmNot for me silly, obviously for the sake of public record.
Don't worry
Submitted by anon (no verificado) on Jue, 11/06/2008 - 3:38amThe public isn't stupid. It's not like people are sitting around looking at someone defending Nazis and thinking, "Gee, he's on point. Maybe we should start killing Jews and bring segregation back." They aren't giving you quarter either. The only reason why no one really counters you is because you are irrelevant to today's politics and have no real power, but the only reason why anyone even gives you as much attention as you get is because they want to keep it that way. Once you do something that gets into the mainstream, you get crushed. Important thing to consider: Every neo-Nazi group or person in these times that gets a media face the way KSS has had over the past two years has had the smackdown put on them eventually. Aryan Nations. National Alliance. Matt Hale. Bill White. That's your destiny.
What the hell are you even
Submitted by Oneiric Imperium (no verificado) on Jue, 11/06/2008 - 4:07amWhat the hell are you even talking about? Where do you get the idea that I want to kill jews or bring back segregation? Where do you even get the idea that my concerns have anything to do with politics at all? I hate politics. At least before you start threatening people and stalking my friends at the very least do your fucking home work.
During this whole mess
Submitted by Oneiric Imperium (no verificado) on Jue, 11/06/2008 - 4:48amDuring this whole mess people on here have made rediculous assumptions easily disproved by a google search, resorted to name calling, character assassination and threats AND NEVER REALLY ADDRESS ANY POINTS MADE BY MYSELF OR OTHERS.
All the while largely doing so through anonymous posting.
I have addressed every issue raised to me, done so with obvious identity, offered sited sources and tried to do so in the flesh.
You can interpret the actions, words and thoughts of others through your the biases and norms of your own little world, but you all are not only really failing to grasp the intentions of others, you are also creating problems where there are none. I'm not a Nazi or white supremacist and neither is the KSS. When those guys call themselves "white nationalist" they mean white nationalist and not white supremacist. When I refer to myself as eurocentric I mean just that. I have no political intent and my sense of whiteness is based on an inherent, instinctual pagan quality.
The idea that whiteness is only a construct of economic control is Marxist nonsense. Economics isn't the sole driving of existence and DNA didn't involve in Europe with the sole function of economically exploiting non-Europeans. The Christian history of Europe is not European its Semitic. The organic, instinctual, natural culture of European derived people is Pagan in character.
Here is an essay from my blog dated october 9th that shows the extent of how much I'm a "Nazi"-
http://blog.myspace.com/index.cfm?fuseaction=blog.view&friendID=6310209&...
The sacrilization of resistance
One of the key appeals of classic Fascism, I find, is Fascism's sacrilization of the state. At least in so far as such a character is sincere element and the state is in deed a sacred body existing in lines with and an expression of a transcendent higher reality. However historically speaking I'm doubtful of Fascist Italy's and Nazi Germany's sincerity in that regard. Maybe with in the occult beliefs SS we can find a structural body that was ordered along these lines, but over all it seems that both of these regimes merely wanted to tap into a religious impulse to direct people towards merely political and exoteric ends.
It wasn't much but it was better then nothing.
It's not surprising that this element of Fascism was largely inspired by the antics of Gabriele D'Annunzio, who amongst all manner of things, was an occultist. The parades, the flamboyant balcony speeches, the bad ass necrotic-erotic black uniforms, all go back to him. And let's face it, doesn't Fiume sound more appealing then Berlin before the war? Well both were a romance, and all loves come to end.
There is however something to be learned from these examples sacrilization as form of mobilization. However I purport its better to most certainly beyond a shadow of a doubt to mean it, and not cynically manipulate such a drive towards petty ends like politics. Politics are dirty and the realm of apes slinging shit. All politics are lies as they are all covers for one thing and one thing alone- Power and control, but power and control in its most base, petty, brute and material sense. Not a power that is inherent to itself, but a power that eats itself, that must expand or collapse in on itself, a power that is a slave to itself, a control that is controlled by the need to control.
There is no hope for the Western world as a whole. I could go on and on here pointing the fingers at the usual suspects, but we know the deal. There are no countries there is just the global economy. There is no state to sacrilize, no holy Imperium, and one isn't coming for a long time. That is if we even survive. Realistically white people may only have a century or two left.
In Grail lore the figure of the Fisher King is caught in a state in between death and sleep. He is wounded and the country has become a wasteland. This story, our story, tells us that the King is revived by Percival obtaining the Holy Grail and nourishing him with it.
Let's look at this story in certain light. The Fisher King is a symbol for our dysfunctional culture and lack of responsible authority, both out of sync with the sacred and organic reality.
He isn't completely dead because European derived people still exist, yet he is asleep because we are asleep, our nature is asleep. "The throne lies empty but the house survives". We know what is missing even if we can't always rationally articulate it because the dysfunction, the wound, is so deep rooted that it goes beyond the rational. The quest for the Grail is the quest for spiritual re-integration and restoration. It is a return of the primordial. The Grail too is also the "Sangraal", the holy blood, which again our blood, our nature is dormant-
"A sun that never sets burns on.
New light is this river's dawn.
When to speak of a word so old
is to relearn what is known.
A time to think back and move on.
Rebuild the loves of lives long gone.
The blood that flows through me is not my own.
The blood is from the past, not my own.
The blood that leads my life is not my own.
The blood is strength, I'm not alone."
To resist the age, to be as Savitri Devi called a "Man against time" is to be like Percival on the Grail quest. However this time around there are no Knights, no SS, no Arditi, no governing body for us to be in the service of. There are no Grail Knights but there are Grail Assassins, Grail saboteurs, Grail agitators and Grail terrorists.
There is just you alone on the quest.
There is no state to sacrilize so until the time that the once and future King returns the sacred expresses itself not in terms of the state but in terms of resistance. Not politics but Jihad.
Those who lay down with
Submitted by Anonymous (no verificado) on Jue, 11/06/2008 - 11:37amThose who lay down with dogs...
By who's law was he illegal?
Submitted by Anonymous (no verificado) on Mar, 11/04/2008 - 1:28amBy who's law was he illegal?
Hail Thorfinn Karlsefni
Submitted by Manly (no verificado) on Lun, 11/03/2008 - 10:54pm"The American notion that we are all 'equal,' regardless of individual intelligence, contribution to the community, capacity to love, and capability of destroying, has reduced our society to one in which many people no longer feel the need to be accountable for their choices or actions."
-Stephen K. Hayes
The weak will always hate the strong. Regardless of race, I would be hard-pressed to dishonour anyone with the temerity, ability, and not only courage, but vision to see outside of his immediate surroundings and grasp the concept of something greater than oneself. The prospects of making an unmapped trans-Atlantic crossing using 11th century technology stands as a feat beyond heroic.
So, yes, if you would be the one to throw red paint on an image of someone whose substance shames you, please, don't let me stand in your way. Like halfwit children who don't get their way, these people stand in the cesspit and hurl filth at those better than themselves.
LOL
Submitted by Anonymous (no verificado) on Mar, 11/04/2008 - 1:15pmNo they didn't they fucked with Nazis.
Liking a statue doesn't make
Submitted by Oneiric Imperium (no verificado) on Mar, 11/04/2008 - 2:24pmLiking a statue doesn't make one a proponent of antiquated totalitarian politics or any politics for that matter.
No, but making apologies for
Submitted by Anonymous (no verificado) on Mar, 11/04/2008 - 5:48pmNo, but making apologies for them puts you in the danger zone.
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