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So what you're saying
Submitted by Rich Gardner on Mon, 01/12/2009 - 9:04amis that you're a complete ignoramus who is completely unaware of how "24" has shaped attitudes on torture?
If the TV show and only a TV show was influencing attitudes, that'd be one thing, but with people in government openly contemptuous of international law, it's an effective addition.
Recommend look up the interview where Justice Scalia talks about how effective torture is and see what he uses as an example.